Where would this man be after death? Will he be SAVED?
Today, There are two main camps in the christian world .One is So called Radical Grace (Once saved always saved) which says YES, he will be saved (as his spirit is saved) and the other one (Salvation lost and Saved and lost again) says NO. There are other camps as well which are better than these two camps.
If I am to share my opinion then I would Neither agree with the first camp's Theology nor fully agree with the second one's theology(am not talking about the Question which has been posed about a man's salvation but about their theology as the answer can only be yes or no). Both the camps have some level of deception.
Bible says in 1 Corinthians 13:9 For we know in parts and we prophesy in parts...so the reality is none of the two camps know the full TRUTH.
Primarily, We need to understand WHO is asking this question? and WHY?
Secondly, it is like a child asking his parents standing on the Platform of a railway station, " Mama, how close can I go to the edge of the platform without being hit by a train". Or Putting a heap of burning coals in your lap and asking how long you can keep it without being burned.What do you think a Responsible parents would do ...you know it....and Is it possible if i put my hands on fire and not burn it..so decide for yourselves.
I have been a part of both the camps, however NOW I do not stand with them anymore.
Both camps offer us good and bad as well. I don't agree with them because of these kinds of Questions and scenarios and their teachings. So called Radical Grace helps us to understand the message of the FINISHED work of the cross(Salvation by grace through faith), which the other camp couldn't convey, however with 90% TRUTH and 10% Deception which is more than enough to damage.Second Camp can only match the answers for such types of questions as the one which has been posed ( in yes or no) however doesn't teach us much about our Righteous Nature.
Romans chapter 8 says - NOW, there is NO condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus. Ephesians 4:24 Our New Man created after GOD in Righteousness and Holiness.
Second camp still calls (believers) sinner instead of saints which is not in line with the above versus.
So called Radical Grace tells us that we don't have to confess our sins which again is unscriptural according to I John 1:9
Yes, it is true we are saints but then we are still changing or making progression during this we sin and miss many times and then we need to repent and confess our sins so we may receive forgiveness of sins and the blood of Jesus Christ may cleanse us.
Paul rebukes them to repent in II Corinthians 12
I John 2:1,2 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.
Real GRACE helps us to come boldly before the throne of GRACE and acknowledge sin as sin.
However, I also add that we don't need to be sin conscious all the time instead rely on the GRACE of GOD and be WORD conscious and walk after the Spirit.
Not being sin conscious doesn't mean i am promoting sin, No God forbid. Never!. I am equally hard on sin as you all are, GOD hates sin but loves the sinner.
Sin damages our lives and we end up in HELL!
Titus 2: 11For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, 12Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ;
We need to focus on GRACE so we can change everyday. Paul gives us a solution in Galatians- He says Walk in the Spirit and you would not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
See, in both the camps leadership of the HOLY SPIRIT is missing. Leadership of the Spirit would lead us to have a Complete Lordship of Jesus Christ in our lives.
So, if we walk in the SPIRIT and after our NEW NATURE, we would change every moment of our lives.
In other words my righteousness and holiness or relationship with GOD should not be based on my obedience RATHER My Obedience should be based on my Righteous Nature and my relationship with GOD. (No Where I said we should not obey).
I Obey GOD because I am Righteous, I don't obey him to become righteous..you see the difference.
It's all about my motivation to Obey GOD .....I don't obey him to become righteous, rather I obey him because I am a son of GOD, created in Righteousness and Holiness after God's Nature.
GRACE is all about CHANGE, it is (gives) the power to change....Carrying the cross daily by the power of HIS Finished work on the cross, would change us. Grace has taken away our Adamic Nature and made us like the second ADAM ( gave CHRISTLIKE NATURE to our spirits) and now we can work out the salvation which he has already given to us to conform in to the image of Jesus Christ in our soul.
Now We are not left with any excuse as to why we still stay in sin when the old man died and the root of all sins i.e SIN is cut off and imputed upon Jesus.
Problem with the Radical Grace message is as it is preached today ...gives an hearer a room to lead a sloppy life. IT IS A DECEPTIVE Teaching.Eventually this leads to Loose Grace or Promiscuous Grace and believer might end up somewhere else.....
Either I am a son or am not. So a TRUE son would always want to obey his father (It's in his nature to obey his Father and we have the spirit of sonship). There may be struggles one day up another day down ..doesn't matter...but then eventually son would surely be able to overcome as that has been imbibed in to his Nature,but as long as we walk in the leadership of the Spirit. You see, HOLY SPIRIT is willing to go through any hell with you as long as you are willing to change and allow him to change you.
But premeditated sin will lead us away from GOD.
So, in my Opinion TRUE GRACE helps us to change and bear fruits. Jesus himself said in the book of John you be my disciple and bear fruits. To walk in this Divine GRACE we don't have to be a part of any of these two camps, rather strive to become a mature disciple of YESHUA and bear fruits.
Asking question as it is posed above is childish and am sure no mature believer would ever like to walk in that path.
So Play safe people ..Why to make room for such questions and scenarios.....not our business.... More Grace articles on the way.....
Today, There are two main camps in the christian world .One is So called Radical Grace (Once saved always saved) which says YES, he will be saved (as his spirit is saved) and the other one (Salvation lost and Saved and lost again) says NO. There are other camps as well which are better than these two camps.
If I am to share my opinion then I would Neither agree with the first camp's Theology nor fully agree with the second one's theology(am not talking about the Question which has been posed about a man's salvation but about their theology as the answer can only be yes or no). Both the camps have some level of deception.
Bible says in 1 Corinthians 13:9 For we know in parts and we prophesy in parts...so the reality is none of the two camps know the full TRUTH.
Primarily, We need to understand WHO is asking this question? and WHY?
Secondly, it is like a child asking his parents standing on the Platform of a railway station, " Mama, how close can I go to the edge of the platform without being hit by a train". Or Putting a heap of burning coals in your lap and asking how long you can keep it without being burned.What do you think a Responsible parents would do ...you know it....and Is it possible if i put my hands on fire and not burn it..so decide for yourselves.
I have been a part of both the camps, however NOW I do not stand with them anymore.
Both camps offer us good and bad as well. I don't agree with them because of these kinds of Questions and scenarios and their teachings. So called Radical Grace helps us to understand the message of the FINISHED work of the cross(Salvation by grace through faith), which the other camp couldn't convey, however with 90% TRUTH and 10% Deception which is more than enough to damage.Second Camp can only match the answers for such types of questions as the one which has been posed ( in yes or no) however doesn't teach us much about our Righteous Nature.
Romans chapter 8 says - NOW, there is NO condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus. Ephesians 4:24 Our New Man created after GOD in Righteousness and Holiness.
Second camp still calls (believers) sinner instead of saints which is not in line with the above versus.
So called Radical Grace tells us that we don't have to confess our sins which again is unscriptural according to I John 1:9
Yes, it is true we are saints but then we are still changing or making progression during this we sin and miss many times and then we need to repent and confess our sins so we may receive forgiveness of sins and the blood of Jesus Christ may cleanse us.
Paul rebukes them to repent in II Corinthians 12
20 For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such
as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there
be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings,
tumults:
21 And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.
21 And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.
I John 2:1,2 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.
Real GRACE helps us to come boldly before the throne of GRACE and acknowledge sin as sin.
However, I also add that we don't need to be sin conscious all the time instead rely on the GRACE of GOD and be WORD conscious and walk after the Spirit.
Not being sin conscious doesn't mean i am promoting sin, No God forbid. Never!. I am equally hard on sin as you all are, GOD hates sin but loves the sinner.
Sin damages our lives and we end up in HELL!
Titus 2: 11For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, 12Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ;
We need to focus on GRACE so we can change everyday. Paul gives us a solution in Galatians- He says Walk in the Spirit and you would not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
See, in both the camps leadership of the HOLY SPIRIT is missing. Leadership of the Spirit would lead us to have a Complete Lordship of Jesus Christ in our lives.
So, if we walk in the SPIRIT and after our NEW NATURE, we would change every moment of our lives.
In other words my righteousness and holiness or relationship with GOD should not be based on my obedience RATHER My Obedience should be based on my Righteous Nature and my relationship with GOD. (No Where I said we should not obey).
I Obey GOD because I am Righteous, I don't obey him to become righteous..you see the difference.
It's all about my motivation to Obey GOD .....I don't obey him to become righteous, rather I obey him because I am a son of GOD, created in Righteousness and Holiness after God's Nature.
GRACE is all about CHANGE, it is (gives) the power to change....Carrying the cross daily by the power of HIS Finished work on the cross, would change us. Grace has taken away our Adamic Nature and made us like the second ADAM ( gave CHRISTLIKE NATURE to our spirits) and now we can work out the salvation which he has already given to us to conform in to the image of Jesus Christ in our soul.
Now We are not left with any excuse as to why we still stay in sin when the old man died and the root of all sins i.e SIN is cut off and imputed upon Jesus.
Problem with the Radical Grace message is as it is preached today ...gives an hearer a room to lead a sloppy life. IT IS A DECEPTIVE Teaching.Eventually this leads to Loose Grace or Promiscuous Grace and believer might end up somewhere else.....
Either I am a son or am not. So a TRUE son would always want to obey his father (It's in his nature to obey his Father and we have the spirit of sonship). There may be struggles one day up another day down ..doesn't matter...but then eventually son would surely be able to overcome as that has been imbibed in to his Nature,but as long as we walk in the leadership of the Spirit. You see, HOLY SPIRIT is willing to go through any hell with you as long as you are willing to change and allow him to change you.
But premeditated sin will lead us away from GOD.
So, in my Opinion TRUE GRACE helps us to change and bear fruits. Jesus himself said in the book of John you be my disciple and bear fruits. To walk in this Divine GRACE we don't have to be a part of any of these two camps, rather strive to become a mature disciple of YESHUA and bear fruits.
Asking question as it is posed above is childish and am sure no mature believer would ever like to walk in that path.
So Play safe people ..Why to make room for such questions and scenarios.....not our business.... More Grace articles on the way.....
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